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- From: jdm@atheria.europa.com (Jesse)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
- Subject: Re: Demo/game to OS frien
- Date: 28 Jan 1996 12:58:20 -0800
- Organization: Europa Communications, Inc, Portland Oregon USA
- Message-ID: <jdm.822861553@thetics>
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- mlelstv@serpens.rhein.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
-
- >Well, maybe your logic is weaker... but it is clear that without the OS
- >there is
-
- >no HD access.
- >no support for systems with graphics cards.
- >no multitasking.
- >no return to the OS besides rebooting.
-
- >Any other claim is _definitely_ wrong.
-
- Definitely wrong? What if you use the OS (ooo!) to shut it down and use your
- own preemptive multitasking kernel (which has lower overhead and is more suited
- for the task than exec), restoring the system when your program is finished?
-
- That covers two of those "deficiencies" easily. Nothing is definite.
-
- By your logic, without the OS there is
-
- no video.
- no audio.
- no floppy drive access.
- no input from any sources.
-
- Of course there is. You just have to write your own code to handle it. Just
- like the four you mentioned above. Some are considerably easier than others
- and some are not officially sanctioned as "good" things to do, but they're
- certainly possible.
-
- Anyone claiming than you can't do the above without the OS is simply naive.
-
- (Not that I'd recommend using the hardware instead of the OS for hard drives
- or graphics cards unless you're writing your own OS.)
-
- Frankly, I'm disgusted by the statements people have been making in this thread
- about how there are only two types of programmers or programming that can be
- done.
-
- 1. Those that are perfect programmers and are "enlightened" enough to only
- use the OS.
- 2. Those that who use the hardware and are such bad programmers that the
- couldn't code their way out of a paper bag.
-
- That's _stupid_. There are good hardware programmers and bad OS programmers.
- --
- Remember, this isn't pascal, this is REAL programming.
- -- 68000 Assembly language, techniques for building programs
-